ZombieNet

I think that any reasonable person can see that there are competing paradigms at work in the student protests: legitimate anger at Israel's violence, and the parallel universe antisemitic conspiracy narratives.

Organizations such as the ADL, out of a short-sighted desire to protect Israel from criticism, are empowering the antisemites by refusing to draw a clear boundary that still allows people to express their justified anger and demand solutions, without sliding into antisemitism.1/2

The thing is, that we can all have disagreements about where this line lies and about the relative power of the competing paradigms. But it should not be subject to dispute that:

1. The line between legitimate anger at Israel and antisemitism exists
2. People are going to stay angry at Israel unless some big changes happen, that's just a reality
3. Antisemitism is not a good thing to let fester "for now." 2/2

@alter_kaker

One clear boundary could be something like "Nevertheless, Israel has the right to exist".

@tamasrev in my opinion, the line should be defined not by attitudes towards the State of Israel, but by attitudes towards Jewish people and buy-in to antisemitic tropes, which is a well established category. But that of course is a legitimate disagreement, as is the non-trivial but important question of what exactly does "right to exist" mean

@alter_kaker IMO both of these opinions are valid.

The "right to exist" probably means the same as with other countries. For instance, nobody wants Russians to go back to Norway, just to respect the borders of its neighbors.

@tamasrev ok, so I would call that "the right of Russians to live safely in their homes," which is quite different from "Russia," which is a set of institutions whose continued existence has little to do with whether or not Russians are sent to Norway.